Introduction

Narrative is a podcast exploring the ways in which the world is better than in the past, and the ways that is worse. I'm your host, will jarvis, and i want to thank you for taking the time out of your day to listen to this episode. You can find show notes, transcripts and videos at narrative podcast dot com. And everybody, for the audience, just want to note we're also joined by lawrs duse, a previous podcast guess to a talk to.