to I want to see that play in the kingdom

Uh, but no, I don't I don't have any any ill ill will at all that uh, you know

Crossroads is a career is not on your on your Do a lot do a lot of your other pastor friends. They have sons who are yes older and yes And do they talk about their sons not? Taken up. Does that bother other guys that are in your position at their kids or not?

Kind of step. No, it's kind of inverse actually it's uh, they want to be involved in their like Yeah, okay. I'm speaking with a very broad brush the first quote unquote succession Breakout I went to at a conference. It was about 10 years ago. I was like, huh? And they had some pastors in their successor up there and they were all father and son I raised my hand. I went So they had all these things by raise my hand said so basically what you're saying is you have to have a son to take over for you And And I think in those guys there's been some great ones there has been there's been some utterly phenomenal ones There's been some really but there's also been some ones that have been train wrecks because The the the sun just wasn't qualified the sun wasn't prepared Sometimes they they take him and they they just stick him in there because they they want that life form a real Joel. I'm talking about Joel here I Think it's just interesting for some people to hear some of these stories There's kind of an insider that I am not the Joel and I or hyper titering anything like that But you know that was basically his story his dad was on his deathbed And Joel was really yeah Joel was into uh the broadcast he had a broadcast career and then he was doing some broadcast research Yeah, and his dad said dad said you're the guy. How need you take over for me? Wow And that's when I just freaking exploded it was a church I think of you know pretty good church of thousand people 2,000 people something like that And then he just took it No aspiration lucky never talk with that and luckily for our church if you for some

reason become On your deathbed here soon.