Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis Debate

Ron DeSantis is quietly waiting in the wings. God forbid something happens to Biden. I think Gavin Newsom, I spent a little time with him. He's super competitive. He wants Democrats to be tougher. And there's definitely probably part of Gavin that wants to run for president. But it's a weird choice to debate some random dude. We'll see, right?