I prefer to go round to calling people fases. A big part of my job centers around the possibility of free expression and free inquiry. I rely quite heavily on laws that protect this kind of work. And i don't even mind that people can go around sort of willy nilly calling you a fashist or a notsy, because i do have faith that i can defend my reputation in the court of public opinion.
Elizabeth Bruenig is a staff writer at The Atlantic and a Catholic socialist who writes on topics as varied as capital punishment and mothering two children while in her twenties. Her work is uniquely marked by her ruby-red Texas upbringing, the elite professional world she now inhabits, and her deep sense of morality, which draws from both Christian theology and left-wing politics.
In a wide-ranging conversation, Elizabeth Bruenig and Yascha Mounk debate the importance of dialogue across moral perspectives, whether wokeness bears any resemblance to theology, and how religious conviction can give rise to an authentically liberal defense of free speech.
This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.
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