I Look Like, but It Sounds Like Someone or Something Pissed Him Off

i have had a handful of conversations with jacks ond both over beers and podcasts. He never really made any money off of it, i remember him telling me that. I know some of these whales, and they're just geeks that happen to get in early,. Many of them are not shady big business. This isn't something where, you know, it's teslar, not even tessla.