Jim Boulden: We've allowed our standards to fall. And the major one of that is ambition. All of the companies I've studied that do this well, they do it because they really care and they really want to do it. They're not accepting what I was trying to have people on half an hour on a phone. The other point I just wanted to loop around with that is so it's not just the human on the front line, it's notjust the digital,. It does have to be the organization, it does have to start with how you design your experience.

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