I think let's do finance first. And the main thing that my head goes to when you're thinking about whoever's holding that finance role CFO or whatever is how to help them if they're not already in this mindset of conceptualizing HR as a place where smart investment will allow growth to happen. So there are a lot of people, particularly Thoretti who hate using the word resources for human beings. But I think in terms of how finance looks at this, you have to look at the way that you are protecting the assets of the company and what it costs you if you don't protect those assets.

Get the Snipd
podcast app

Unlock the knowledge in podcasts with the podcast player of the future.
App store bannerPlay store banner

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode

Save any
moment

Hear something you like? Tap your headphones to save it with AI-generated key takeaways

Share
& Export

Send highlights to Twitter, WhatsApp or export them to Notion, Readwise & more

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode