The evidence that we have for non-locality comes from black hole information, but also just from the holographic principle. I don't think the situation has quite settled yet, but there's evidence that at the quantum mechanical level, there's little tiny influences that share entanglement over non-local distances. Did your paths ever cross at the Santa Fe Institute? And if so, what were those conversations like? Also more generally, can you talk about the interdisciplinary collaboration of the Institute and the kinds of conversations that go on?