I've been following you since the nineties. I mean, you've kind of, you've come out on top on this debate. But by main stream, so again, my estimate is there' now a few tens of thousands of physicians around the world who will say stop eating carbs. These carb rich foods, bread, tino, grains, starchs, sugar, they're killing you. And if you want to be healthy, you can't eat them.

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