Michael Schulder: My journey is a little more old school because it's a little older. It started out with being basically miserable in high school with a tremendous amount of anxiety. And, you know, when you're in pain, whatever makes the pain go away becomes very, very interesting. He says he found some books about astral projection and things like that; they had meditations in them.Schulder: I got very interested and have been working with it, exploring it,. investigating it, then eventually teaching it ever since.

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