i heard you say recently on a podcast that i think deeply all of us want some type of radical simplicity in our lives. So how do you define radical simplicity? Well, unfortunately, simplicity should just be simpli ity shouldn't be radical. But in a world that doesn't necessarily applaud simplicity, it has to be radically, for us to get to it. I can honestly say that any client have ever worked with, if we go deep enough and we have a period of time where we work long enough together, they may not use the word 'simplicity' but that's ultimately what they will describe. When i get people to do paintings or drawings of who they want to

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