One of the biggest challenges we discuss on the show is how to take businesses over the “five figure” hurdle. Today’s guest Ayman Al-Abdullah has done that in his time as former CEO at AppSumo, and he shares his major takes on achieving that with Dan.

“You're essentially crafting your rock band. What more important job than who I'm hanging out with on a daily basis and hanging in the tour van, I think the most important job of the CEO is: ‘Who is in the van?”