I would say to everybody, a spiritual seeker, you're taking help from medicine, from a doctor. If needed, need be take help from a psychiatrist. There's no shame in it at all. And that's true in other countries also. I know it's true in India also. And we need all the help we can get. We notice whenever people have problems mentally, they don't turn to a psychiatrist. They turn to the local pastor, to the local church leader. So their idea was two ways. What can we learn from you and what, and we can give you some kind of basic training. How do you recognize and deal with mental illness and help people when they

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