I feel like the best teacher is actually getting in there, getting your hands dirty and taking it on. That's why internships are really wonderful too. For anybody listening, starting out, you know, defenders trying to get in the field. Get an internship, find a shop, a really great shop that's doing awesome work. Work for free if you can do it. You will learn so much that education you'll get there,. Doing hands-on work, you cannot substitute it. Being with people and seeing how people operate. And I love that answer or experience.