I think we're in this hard period of trying to imagine a new space. Coming up with new things is hard, especially when we've got ideas of what it might look like. I feel like fiction is almost like a doorstop that kind of wedges the door open. It's just kind of holding open a space where new stuff could come in. We don't know exactly what it is yet, but it could be different. But there's a possibility that the way things are now is not the way that things have to be.

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