In the 90s, if you told somebody like, listen, this is not the quality of work we expect here. You're fired. That's what you expect if you did a bad job. So I don't know what's going on with the sort of benchmark of this, but that one seemed profoundly unfair and it's continued. But there's a reaction to that, which is people now are tuning into podcasts to get their information. Now I'm unique in that. I'm a journalist who turn who was an entrepreneur.

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