How to Get Out of Debt

"I stupidly, and I'm going to offer my, my, my stupidity as a sort of a lot of people have done this include us of me," he says. "It's a good story. I mean, like, yeah, if you, if you think about the, again, just to go dip back into the practical and the material,. why would you want to get out of debt so that no one would say it this way?" He adds: "You can take on more debt or you can use the debt that you can take on, you can do it more wisely."