342: ‘Doggy Lake’, With Matthew Panzarino
The Talk Show With John Gruber
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Y and I, I've Always Been Open to the Idea
"There is probably, not probably explicitly also, that that a whole layer of this is out of our hands," he says. "I think there's got to be something to the idea too, though, right? And that's something like the vtac technology of my youth at honde youno debute."
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