The Crack That Lets the Light In

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LZ Granderson: It seems like a very small bar, right to acknowledge that other people can repent and then also not because another big one. LZ: The fact that they changed those signs isn't just that they change the signs. They now know that the signs can change. He says different people have different amounts, a different threshold for how much it takes for them to go. "I feel this very strongly at this point. No one's unreachable," he says.

In this episode we sit down with Megan Phelps-Roper, the author of Unfollow, a memoir of her time in Westboro Baptist Church, and an exploration what it took to convince her to leave. I interviewed Megan for my upcoming book, How Minds Change, and in this interview you will learn all about assimilation and accommodation, cult deprogrammers, and the steps Megan says one must take if they want to change someone's mind.

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