Out of Creative Control: Bret Speaks with Matt Orfalea on the DarkHorse Podcast
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What Makes It So Diabolic?
"I was given no time to even defend myself like. And I mean, I had drafted an apology," he said. "They point this super weapon at you and the idea is, will pull the trigger unless you demonstrate." He added: "Not staring it down is terrifying ... It becomes effectively contagious because each person capitulates'
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