The first hires are of course very tough. So I think the greatest environment for finding co-founders is conferences and things like this where a lot of like-minded people come together. Man, I hope we get to have conferences in person again really soon because what you're saying is it rings true. And the online versions don't quite cut it. Absolutely. You're missing out on certain pivoting. It's really on being online is very different because you can just randomly run into people. But it should not be too random. It has to have some context. See, you need events like this but that's for co-founderers. The early teammates we hired were exclusively

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