jeff holmes: My first Indian food was when i was living in germany. I think that's an interesting general principle. People don't experiment enough with their own lives, and you'll find yourself trying things that were not part of the initial experiment. That's what germany did to my food life. Some of the things you mention about physical space and experimentation are going to come up in this conversation. If you like this segment, we'll do it more. But go be ond.

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