Gavin Williamson and the Department for Education

Gavin williamson has had a, what shall we say, choppy time in there. Who do you think got the toughest gig? I think probably michael gove onantially. The other challenge he's got is he's in charge of levelling up. Is there some levelling up happening successfully now in a place that you could point us to and say, look, there it is? That's a really good question. I don't think anywhere in the country has cracked ling up. There are places i'm working with southampton as a city at the moment to genuinely look at their levelling up challengers and how the city can work collectively to address them.