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Oracle, Is That What You're Looking For?
Lerner: Oracle started out as basically like PI hand mass towards and then about a year ago, they kind of pivoted and broadened their scope to generally be more law practice management in general rather than focus on a specific practice there. They also have, they acquired Outlaw last year, which is a contract lifecycle management platform. So they're kind of going off in a bunch of different directions but I mean, they've grown phenomenally.