"I was so depressed in around the holidays, and, you know, i think i even texted you where i just was at a complete, i don't know what i meaint to do. Ah, it was really bad," he says. "And then the fact that it just so naturally turned into, i mean, i also think deep down, i knew, i was like, let's make this like an intervention."
In today’s episode, we try something different: a special two-part conversation in which Cal coaches his longtime friend, comedian and podcast pioneer Jamie Kilstein, through a digital declutter. The first part of the conversation ends with Cal’s prescription for Jamie, while the second part picks up six weeks later to check in on how things actually went.
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