Do You Have Giant Ambitions as a Surfer?

I think I was obnoxious as a young guy, I was like, I'm going to be the best. You had to kind of fight your way into the lineup and there was a pecking order in a hierarchy and you had to establish. And so there was a combative aspect to it that forced you to have that kind of kind of aggression and that confidence. So yeah, I mean, I didn't know the route, but I definitely, you know, I used to tell Bill, because him and I were pretty competitive. "If you could master the biggest waves and you could ride the biggest waves the best, that kind of trumps everything"