The pair have written a new book called provoke, how leaders shaped the future by overcoming fatal human flaws. They've been working together for around 20 or 25 years but didn't start writing in earnest until about five or six years ago. One of the questions that we like to start with is a to almost, maybe not necessarily arras, but to bring up some mistakes. And i'd love to know from each of you, what were maybe some of the things that, when you first started leading teams or were in leadership position?

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