If you're a new entrepreneur and you decide okay like I'm going to start an event like that's going to be my first thing because it doesn't require a ton of capital to build me a huge network. How would you think about doing it like the Jesse Pooji right out of Goldman? You have to get like maybe again if I did it to your point like or you like we may be able to attract different types of audiences which is interesting in and of itself but if you're just starting it fresh they are very low risk.

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