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CC210: Cameron Bertuzzi & James White Discuss Catholicism

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The Importance of Preparing for a Debate

Rich Rich: A lot of the debates that are going on now were scheduled the week before they happen. And that's not good because if you're going to really honor the audience and the topic, for example, I've debated Barterman. How many months specifically did he spend preparing to debate Barterman? So I think it's different for everybody. It could be that you had already studied the topic enough to where you didn't need it, but like a refresher on it. But almost everybody you have been reading has been deeply influenced by him. The modern Roman Catholic apologetic is determined by Newman.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I was not, I was not referring to you. I'm simply talking about the fact that during COVID especially, we're all locked down and all of a sudden everybody is on YouTube and there's, they forget to turn the ceiling fan off above them, which drives, which makes everybody. Oh, and they're just, they just decided. I've got things saying like I had a fan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I wasn't saying what I was saying is a lot of the debates that are going on now were scheduled the week before they happen. Okay. And that's not good because if you're going to really honor the audience and the topic, for example, I've debated Barterman. Do you know who Barterman is? Yeah. Okay. You know how many much channel do you know how many months I prepared to debate Barterman? I mean, aside from having taught Greek for decades and stuff like that, how many months specifically I spent preparing to debate Barterman? So I think it's different for everybody. It could be that you had already studied the topic enough to where you didn't need it, but like a refresher on it. Six months, my guess, six months about to. Yeah, I was going to get some somewhere around there. Six months for a formal for a formal debate where you're on stage. That seems, that seems very reasonable. Exactly. I listened to his classes. I read his books. That's, I think, the best way to do these types of things. How much time do you think he spent on your on a, a very good one? Absolutely positively none. In fact, in fact, you know how I can prove it. So you're really just talking about yourself now. Yes. I do it this way. I show, I believe I showed respect to him and my audience by preparing. He did not respect to me and my audience by not preparing. And I can prove he didn't prepare. You know how? Because he used the exact same slides he had used in his debate with Dan Wallace, including the same typographical errors that he had to apologize for the second time rep. So he hadn't even looked at them. He doesn't, most of people, most of people, when I debated John Shelby Spong on homosexuality, he did not bring a Bible to the debate. And the topic of the debate was is homosexuality consistent with the Bible. He didn't bring a Bible. So this is when I debate people like that, they don't, they don't invest a second. They really, really don't. So I was not in any way saying anything about you. I was simply saying, we have done debates on the papacy that are very in depth. And just because they were done, the 90s doesn't mean that the information is still not really relevant and really, really useful. So I'd highly recommend them to you. So all right, there's so many of these things, Canon six and and all this, all the rest of stuff, I would just so highly recommend to you taking the time to minimally read George Sammons book, the infallibility of the church. I don't get the feeling that you've, how much, how much interaction, really quick, have you had with John Henry Cardinal Newman so far? And see, that concerns me as well because the modern Roman Catholic apologetic and its entire paradigm has been determined by Newman. Newman was new, just really, really briefly, new man. I know who it was. I know a story. Yeah. Okay, good. I just haven't read his stuff. I've been, yeah, it would be. But almost everybody you have been reading has been deeply influenced by him. Let's just put it that way. So I think that's, I think that just, I think you can see why it'd be very, very important to look at what happened with him Vatican one, his opposition, the people infallibility and all the rest of the stuff that goes with it. Now with all that said and looking at the clock, I'm sorry. What? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Rich, Rich did get me the, the top 10, the top 10 reasons not to join the Roman Catholic church.

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