Are You a Member of the Military or a Politician?

Carlos Ruiz: I think that's got to be seen as fair. Once a few people start coming out, more people will start talking. But getting those initial people to start talking is really tough. And yeah, that's 100% understandable. You know, like you could feel completely scuba in a complete safe house and still there's someone in the suit saying, "These are your kids"

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