Exactly. You moved on, but there are many more who are still out there. Yeah, the human element of security is always the one that can be broken because even people who are trained to avoid questions or answering questions to completely, unless they are very, very disciplined, which most people are, and to the point of willing to be kind of a rude bastard, they're still going to have some element of trust for complete strangers, especially if that stranger proves to be somebody that they like. Yeah.

And if you think you're too smart, you know, for that, this can't happen to you, you're exactly who hackers are looking for, right? Yeah, yeah. 100%.

Remember that show, The Real Hustle, R. Paul Wilson, that he would say, if you're the type of person who thinks that he can't be scammed, you're exactly the kind of person I want to meet. And if you're not a man, you're

a man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jordan, thank you so much for being on the show today. And if any of our listeners wanted to know more about you or listen to your podcast, where should they go?

I host the creatively titled Jordan Harbinger Show. It's available on, well, anywhere you get your podcasts, H.A.R.B.I.N.G.E.R. and I have, I have some great shows for people that are interested in cyber security. We had Nicole Pearl Roth on the show. I've got a couple of hackers that can't reveal their identity coming on, talking about cyber warfare and some of the Ukraine stuff and the denial stuff that they're doing as well. But I also, you know, I've got a lot of various shows of interest that I think people who are interested in the show, like what the hack would really enjoy,

you know?