38: The MatPat & Steph Exclusive
Shut Up I’m Talking
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Navigating Collapse and Renewal
In this chapter, the speakers candidly reflect on the fallout from the collapse of Defy Media, which not only impacted their finances but also coincided with personal milestones such as welcoming a new child. They discuss the lessons learned about trust and caution in business relationships, while also exploring the importance of balancing personal growth with professional commitments. The chapter highlights their transition to a new phase of life, focusing on nurturing relationships, personal interests, and the challenges of managing communication effectively.
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