Acclaimed psychotherapist esther parrel joined me on episode 71 of the podcast to discuss a range of topics, including how she works with couples who are struggling to keep their relationship in tat. Parrel has focused her work on studying the tension in human relationships between the need for security, like love, belonging and closeness, and the need for freedom, like erotic desire, adventure and distance. We start this portion of the interview asking the quest on, what kind of conversation should new couples have,. How do those conversations change over the course of a relationship?

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