Intro

In this episode, the hosts discuss the profound implications of redistricting and its anticipated impact on future U.S. elections, particularly post-2030. They delve into population movements towards red states and the consequent shift in electoral votes which may disadvantage Democrats. The conversation explores how demographic and cultural shifts affect voting patterns, particularly among minority communities. The hosts also examine the internal challenges facing the Democratic Party, such as their exclusionary approaches, which complicate coalition-building. They consider potential paths and strategies Democrats might pursue to stay competitive, including appealing to new voter groups and addressing pertinent issues like job loss due to AI. The dialogue is rounded out with personal anecdotes and a light-hearted discussion on family dynamics and dinner plans.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Now, many of you watching might be aware of the current phenomenon going on in the United States. It makes it nearly impossible for Democrats to win elections after the 2030s. This is due to something called redistricting, in which as voters move to red states blue states lose votes because the number of votes you get in a presidential election and in Congress is based on your population.

Well. Turns out nobody wants to live in blue states anymore. They've for a long time. And these states are lower fertility anyway.

Simone Collins: Well, this also reminds me of that stat that showed that minority populations, like non-white populations that live in red districts versus blue districts have higher income.

Like all these measures that were way better, like, oh, in

Malcolm Collins: contrast it with white populations, actually everyone typically has lower income in red states. Just for clarification. But that's because the urban monoculture prefers to grow in environments where it can [00:01:00] harvest more money. So it focuses on wealthy cities and stuff like that.

But you're right about that. They're like relatively less racist in the implications of their policy than belief states.

Simone Collins: And while we, you're as consequentialist, we care about outcomes, you know, if they're thriving more in red districts, I would say red districts create better outcomes for minorities.

Malcolm Collins: Right. But so in this episode you, you've probably heard of this or you're broadly aware of it, but I want to both go into the specifics of this and go into scenarios about what it means to actually win an election. Like I. What are you actually going to win? How does it change, which states or swing states and how does it change what Democrats need to do to win elections going forward?

Okay. While also arguing that this is just gonna be incredibly hard for them to pull off and they'll likely need some new form of a coalition to. Win elections going forwards. And I don't know what that coalition's gonna look like. But what's interesting about the way the Democrats have built their coalition is it's entirely exclusionary recently.

It's either you [00:02:00] support trans people or you're totally out. Either like, as we've said, like all you need to do is disagree on one thing and you're not a de at all anymore. Like a JK Rowling is a Damon every single way, but like. Trans issues. And she's like a demon, right? Like Elon was like every single way, but like trans issue, demon.

And now he's like on the right, you know, like, so even if you like, just disagree on like the. The dumb thing, you point out the giant mole on their face. You know, it ends up causing you to be exercised from their culture. So,

Simone Collins: yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, just

Simone Collins: wait. You make the tiniest wrong move when you're out.

That's the really scary thing.

Malcolm Collins: It's very hard. Basically they need to find a new group to protect it, sort of the way their culture is structured. But who would that be? It could only be. Religious conservatives, but, but, you know, say, oh, well, we'll protect your children, but then that would upset the Chinese people and the, you know, so I don't know what they're gonna do, but, we'll, we'll move on that at the end of this, but let's just go into the stats here to start.

Okay? Okay. Based on population projections for the [00:03:00] 2030 census, certain states are expected to gain house seats due to population groups, primarily in the south and west. Okay. Votes. Equals its number of house seats plus two for its senator who increase in house seats directly increases electoral votes.

The states gaining electoral votes along with the number of votes are Texas plus four, Florida plus four Arizona plus one Utah plus one. North Carolina plus one Utah plus one total of electoral votes gained 12. Conversely, states with population decline or slower goes, particularly in the Northeast and Midwest, as well as California, are projected to lose house seats, thus electoral voters.

The states that are gonna lose them are California minus four, New York, minus two, Illinois minus one, Minnesota minus one, Oregon minus one. Pennsylvania minus one Rhode Island, minus one Wisconsin minus one. More critically projection [00:04:00] suggests that by 2030 Democrats rely on their. Safely Democratic states, eg.

California and New York. Plus the Blue Wall states, Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin and Nebraska's Second district one vote. They would secure only 258 votes falling 12 votes short of the two 70. They need to win a presidency. So if Democrats just win what they historically considered, like the safe path to victory, they will not win under the new system.

So I wanna, you know, just, just put that out there again. So even if Democrats win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and Nebraska behalf of Nebraska, they still wouldn't win the cycle.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. That's not great. Okay. To reach 270 electoral votes on the 2030 map, Democrats must win additional swing states [00:05:00] beyond the blue wall, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, to make up the 12 vote deficit.

The electoral vote counts for swing states under the 2030. Projections are Arizona Georgia, North Carolina or Nevada. So if they win any of these, they would win if, if they won those, like Pennsylvania and whatever. But I actually think winning Pennsylvania is gonna be increasingly hard.

And we're gonna go into that in just a second, but like, if Pennsylvania gets harder to win, we're gonna go over just how hard it gets for them to, to win elections. Possible collections of additional swing states to reach or exceed. 12 electoral votes include Arizona alone, Georgia alone, North Carolina alone, Arizona plus Nevada.

This is assuming Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin. Now let's see what happens if they lose pa, that's where we live is Pennsylvania. And I know that there's been some major changes in Pennsylvania in the last election cycle, specifically Scott Presler Gay Hero ended up, radicalizing, the Amish, who historically didn't vote, the Amish basically said, well, [00:06:00] we won't vote, we won't get involved in politics, and we won't become politicized because we don't want the system to attack us when, you know, the wrong party's in power.

And what the Amish realized, and Scott Presler convinced him of this is actually the system's attacking you right now, and we'll continue to attack you because it needs your kids to survive. The progressives aren't having kids and they get kids from you, so. You should join up with this Trump guy.

He'll protect your rights. And they were like, you know what? That sounds about right. And they were, they were seeing this. They w what's funny is one thing that Amish really hated was handouts for having lots of kids. They, they often complained about getting this from the government. They're like, oh, I'm not gonna turn it down, but like, they've made money worthless.

So assuming they lose D pa, okay. Assuming Democrats secure their safely Democratic states 213 votes and the blue walls, this is assuming they win Michigan and Wisconsin. Then they must need an additional 32 votes from swing states. Here's the most realistic combinations they could get over time.

So they'd have to, if they lose [00:07:00] pa, get Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and North Carolina. Now that seems incredibly unlikely. Yes, Georgia flipped democratic in 2020 and North Carolina did while, while narrowly Republican in in recent cycles. But the problem is, is that. The current trends would cause them to flip in the opposite direction.

More like Dims winning Georgia and North Carolina, especially given how hard they've lost. The Hispanic vote is gonna be really, really difficult. Ar Okay. Okay. So they could win Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada. I could see Arizona and Nevada, but I do not see them winning Georgia if they haven't won Pennsylvania.

That doesn't make sense. Okay. Okay. Okay. So then what else? Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and New Hampshire. Again, I don't see them winning Georgia if they don't win Pennsylvania. Okay. Then what [00:08:00] else? North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, and Wisconsin could win them The election. That is more realistic, but that still requires North Carolina.

So basically it means that going forwards dims have to win Pennsylvania or create a new fulcrum state, which would be Georgia. Now here's how they might win. Georgia, and I could see this, so let, let's talk about this. Maybe what they need to focus on is this idea that the Republican Party really has a.

And, and, and I will admit this the, as we've argue in the past, the Republican Party used to be the party of the Cavaliers. This is deep south culture. This is a highly aristocratic and hierarchical culture. And, and a culture that believes in strict social norms that need to be followed to sort of earn or portray your status.

And. Trump [00:09:00] doesn't follow that at all. He regularly flaunts such norms in a way that causes leaders within southern culture to be quite upset with him and disgusted by him. And, you know, then he brought JD Vance in, who represents an extent, a continuation of this. Now, he doesn't have the vulgarity of Trump totally, but.

He's vulgar in other ways that show like a, thumbing his nose at these cultural morays, like he really likes magic. The gathering that is not something that one of these magic, the gathering is a card game for nerds that these cultures would've loved. That, that was like the, my little pony of his generation or something.

Right. You know, I like magic. Together. Imagine they the ball. I was so obsessed with that. I was always excited when new chiropractics would come out. Oh my God. You know what? New Life goal, play Magic. The gathering against JD Vance or have our kids play against his kids.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh. How great would

Malcolm Collins: that

Simone Collins: be?

They need to grow a little bit more though. They need to get a little older. Yeah. Don't we need to get a little more favor? Oh yeah. I guess step one, some healthy friend JD Vance. Step two kids grow up. [00:10:00]

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But, but you know, the, the, the, as the conservative have, have embraced the real nerds, you know, as the GMs went through trash nerd culture and made it all woke you know, this is something that a lot of deep Southern culture had some antipathy towards.

Yeah, absolutely. The reason the alliance works now is we're like, well, look, you are. You do not have numbers to impose your value system on the general population right now, but if you join our coalition, we can at least work to protect your kids from Deconversion. And, and that means, you know, more school choice.

That means you know, more efficient government services like preventing stuff like the USAID that was going out and running all these conversion camps basically all around the world. Wasting our money. And they're like, okay, yeah, we can broadly agree on all of that. Like that's an area where we can all agree, but.

If the left reclassified conservative Christians as a minority religious tradition was in their value system. And it's just like, okay. In the same way we treat Muslims, like they don't mind that, like Muslims [00:11:00] throw gay people off buildings, right? Like if there was in their cultural context can they create sort of the same like.

Gays for evangelicals, gays for Born again Christians. I don't, I don't think so. Like, it's, it's a long shot, but it is a shot. Let's go to some alternative scenarios that they lose. Okay. So I was like, if Democrats win Michigan or Wisconsin fail to win Michigan or Wisconsin, their past becomes even harder without Wisconsin starting at 213.

They would need a combination of something like Georgia, North Carolina, and Nevada to win. Or they need to flip either Texas or Florida. But Florida's become increasingly hard to flip in recent election cycles. So much that on most maps it's listed as solidly read in a large part due to the MAGA coalition's ability to win the Hispanic vote.

Thoughts before I go further?

Simone Collins: On the All-In podcast recently, Antonio Gracias, who's doing work with Doge [00:12:00] was talking about issues with illegal immigrants. And he mentioned that it was found that a bunch of people who were. In the United States as illegal immigrants did actually end up voting and mm-hmm.

I, I keep thinking about that when I think about this, that the Democratic Party, I, I don't think that there was if thousands

Malcolm Collins: of illegal immigrants, by the way,

Simone Collins: I, I don't know how, like, what, what the count was. But it was in multiple states. I don't think they have a final count yet 'cause they're only just starting to dig into these numbers.

I mean. Do, did tweet at one point about some other things that these people have done. They said that they were 905 collecting Medicaid, 41, collecting unemployment insurance. 22 received federal student loans, 409 received tax refunds. And then several received food stamp benefits, which is not something that illegal aliens should be receiving.

Yeah. But they're doing it anyway. And yes, they are also voting in some cases. I don't think that the Democratic Party was like. Oh, you know, this [00:13:00] is, this is a plan of mine to do this. I think that they're just like, well, I mean, we wanna empower these, you know, people who fled from terrible situations and it doesn't hurt.

I. They would vote for us and they would vote for them because it was democratic policies that also allowed them to do things like, oh, so like, technically they weren't supposed to, but here are your SNAP benefits, here's your unemployment insurance, things like that. Yeah. And legal, legal

Malcolm Collins: immigrants don't wanna pay for this, and they feel bad for their, you know, existing family who's waiting to get in the right way.

Right. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So I, I just keep thinking back to that conversation in Antonio, Gracia's initial findings. 'cause also it, it blew my mind. That illegal immigrants would vote. And I was just like, well, that would never happen. And it, it has happened. So, that is, that is, that is pretty crazy. And I, I, I do, yeah, I mean like, 'cause I'm thinking on both ends.

'cause a big thing that was coming up at the close of this last presidential election [00:14:00] was, oh, well if the Democrats win. Republicans will never be able to win again. So it's interesting for me to hear you saying, now Democrats are completely screwed. You know, this is not the narrative that I was hearing because based on immigration trends, whether or not, you know, they were legal migrants, well, this is when Democrats thought that they had the Hispanic vote

Malcolm Collins: in their pocket.

And the problem is, is that once people become Hispanic legal citizens, these are trad cats. They're not.

Simone Collins: They're not

Malcolm Collins: like the black, this is the black population. Even if they would be benefited by voting for conservatives, even if they would be. You know, like, like the conservative party alliance was their actual social values, which it does.

They've been sort of brainwashed into believing that conservatives are, are racist or anti-black or something like that. And you know, we've seen this even around like prenatals conferences. Like when CNN was covering it, it's like, it's suspicious that there weren't , a lot of black people there.

You know, that must mean everyone there is a racist. And I'm like, no, it's just there weren't a lot of black people there. Like, why, why would there, like, we're not like proselytizing within like. Black community citrus or something, we're not [00:15:00] comping their tickets like Democrats would like. We just treat everyone equally.

Like of course there's not a lot of black people here, whatever. And so, I, I think that they, they, but they're trying to create the perception and the black communities have believed this perception. Largely a a lot of based ones haven't, and they're like, yeah, I see what's up. Like you're using us, right?

Like you don't actually, as Simone pointed out, you don't actually help our communities. Our communities are differentially worse off when we're in Democrat controlled territories. We do better in Republican areas, so clearly like you guys are just using us. But that hasn't happened. In Hispanic communities, dim thought they could replay this hand within Hispanic communities.

And in the last election cycle, the majority of Hispanic men, for example, voted for Trump. And, and the Hispanic vote overall was only slightly for Biden and it's move by Kamala, and it's moving pretty fast. And I think this is because of how information networks work within, in Hispanic communities, they're much more based around family networks and much less based around [00:16:00] external sources of information.

So even if you can gaslight like around an entire culture, like everyone believes this, everyone believes this. They just like go to their like, you know, cousin and they're like, Hey, do we believe this? And the cousin's like, no, I don't think we do. And we're like, okay, well them, you know, like, and. Family networks makes you significantly more likely to get pissed off at inefficient government bureaucracies than in, than than smaller networks.

Because whenever the inefficient bureaucracy accidentally closes somebody's store by over-applying things or applies covid restrictions too harshly, or, you know, does something that screws over a small business within his Hispanic communities. They're like, oh, you know, my second cousin lost everything that his whole family had worked for their entire lives because of your arbitrarily abr applied bureaucratic norms.

I hate the deep state, right? Like these are anti my community. But if you don't have the strong family networks, which the DIMS have done a very good job of breaking up within [00:17:00] many. Black communities you're not gonna get that information. And it's just, well, if the state, you know, I can live off the state.

I can live off the state. Right. You know? And, and if I've been told Republicans are racist, well they must be racist 'cause everyone affirms this or everyone who's, you know, immediately. So I think that that's, that's, that's part of it.

Simone Collins: But there's also not a world in which we don't continue with the two party system.

I think like things just naturally sort to that, given the way that our political governmental system is set up. So what I imagine will happen is the Democrat party will move. To a much more appealing position, possibly even appealing to us. Who knows? Like they could, they could go in a great direction.

So, well

Malcolm Collins: that's, I don't, I don't think they could. I think so if you look at Democrats right now to win you, you know, you're saying they could appeal to the tech, right? Like the new, right?

Simone Collins: No, well, our, or just centrist Americans? I don't know. I really don't know what direction they could possibly take.

I know they need basically what they need. I mean, the would be leaders now are what? Like Gavin Newsom? I, I, I just, yeah, I dunno what

Malcolm Collins: they're gonna do. They want to further [00:18:00] like their plan is, oh, we're gonna further increase the turnout of our existing coalition. And that is actually pretty good of a strategy when both coalitions are equal, but we're going to move into an era where they need a new component to the coalition for the coalition to work.

And it, it, it. It could be the tech, right? But that just seems incredibly unlikely. 'cause the tech right is basically what the Republican Party is right now. If you look at the actual policy that they're pushing if however they lost the tech right, that'd be really bad for the Republicans. Like I think that Trump and JD understand this very well.

I think most Republicans at like Heritage or at other like competently run like legacy Republican they really like talking to people like us and understanding people like us. 'cause they're like, okay, this is like the new part. You know, you're just talking to a reporter and he is like, well, I mean you guys aren't fully Republican, right?

Like, I was like, no, like we are a hundred percent new, right? Like there isn't a single issue in terms of what the Trump administration has done, where I'm like, I categorically disagree [00:19:00] with this. And in some cases I'm like, that's an interesting hypothesis that you think that would work. And I'm, you know, at least glad that you're trying radical things, but it probably won't.

But that's not like a an actual like, difference of opinion. Right. You know, I mean, so that's what makes it so hard to get the tech right as I think that the left has a perception that the tech right kind of agrees with the left and kind of agrees with the right. And it's just with the right, right now for.

You know, because of their cultural imperialism. And it's like, no, we're like a hundred percent on this side. The right would need to do something to seriously betray us like, you know, put restrictions on IVF. But Trump has made IVF easier and cheaper to get, you know, so

Simone Collins: maybe, I don't know. I mean, a lot of the press coverage of tariffs implies that, like if, for example, the Trump administration gets tagged with a recession, like it's, it's their fault.

They, they did this with tariffs. I could see there being a big backlash. That could cause a rebalancing, it would give, it leaves an opening for Democrats to [00:20:00] even just kind of. Gaslights, the US Popula would be like, we were always the reasonable party. We never we never proposed any of this stuff, stuff.

What's

Malcolm Collins: the problem with that is, is it's, that's the Rich People Coalition and Democrats already have the Rich People Coalition.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: That's already part of their, their winning circle, you know? So they go out and they're like, we're extra good for rich people. People are gonna be like, oh. Not a good look like you could at least try to sell to for Republicans.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Huh. I wonder,

Malcolm Collins: I mean I look everybody knows, like I've always said, trans people, you can't, like, they're like, oh, we can't abandon our trends outies. And it's like, look, if you were sighting with people who literally dress up like they're from the capital and the hungry games, like you can't be the party of the working people.

I love

Simone Collins: the capital and the Hunger Games. That

Malcolm Collins: is like the way, like apparently like 50% of trans people dress. I'm like, why? Why, why? You do not look like the disenfranchised. You don't need. Their [00:21:00] privilege. It's obvious, but to keep going. Election electoral college and house seat reappointment population grows in Republican leaning states like Texas and Florida means these states will gain house seats, blah, blah, blah.

Now what's really interesting about this. Is that a lot of this is actually coming downstream of people moving where they live because Democrats are doing such a bad job of managing democratic. Yeah.

Simone Collins: They're just, they're just fleeing democratic policies in terms of housing, in terms of. Homeless communities and all that.

Right. They just can't live with it anymore.

Malcolm Collins: And obviously the Democrat dream is, oh, we move to, let's say Austin, that we turn Texas blue. Mm. I mean, that's been the democratic dream for a long time.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: But I don't think it's realistic. The Hispanic vote voters don't like, I think it the Hispanic community for a while, but not anymore.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, here's a question for you. Who would you say republicans should go after next? If Republicans were gonna chip off [00:22:00] part of the Democratic coalition, who would it be?

Simone Collins: Maybe more gay men. I think that more gay men will be good.

Malcolm Collins: I agree. I think I, and I think it's a very winnable faction. Well, yeah.

Simone Collins: The, the, the, the movement has already started. Just build momentum and go all the way.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. The other fraction I can see is black men. Trump has actually made some really big inroads with black men by changing things like child support laws. Oh really? Wow. Yeah. I can't remember. Oh, yeah, he changed it.

So I think that, oh, God, I can't remember how he changed it. He changed it in like a really reasonable way, but that was not favorable for women who were, you know, juicing guys who knocked them up for a living situation. Oh. And apparently this was, you know, just for disproportionately affected black communities.

Whether it's 70%, 76% of black people are born outside of a, a marriage. These days. Yeah. Some,

Simone Collins: some insane amount. That's hard for me to believe. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: It, it, it, this is not part of black culture. Historically, before they became like this ultra progressive [00:23:00] party, they had higher

Simone Collins: rates of marriage than white people in America.

Yeah. You, like

Malcolm Collins: in the sixties, 5% of blacks were born outside of wedlock while 10% of whites were. Mm-hmm. So this is the result of their alliance. With the urban monoculture. Mm-hmm. And the urban monocultures degradation of their culture through that alliance. Yeah. It is not an intrinsic part of being black or black culture.

You can watch our episode, the Islamification of Black Culture, if you wanna see you know, how the Democrats really f them over on this. But yeah, I, I, I think black men are very winnable if you focus on issues like that. Because. A lot of society has become so much like a coalition like us versus them and males versus females has become such a big part of that in ways that are really institutionally abusive of the other in cultures where, well, I mean, so if, if, if you have like 76% of kids being born outta wedlock the men and the women in that culture are not really in the same faction.

Like the women have a reason to f over the men and the men have [00:24:00] a reason to f over the women

Simone Collins: fair.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, there's a reason why when you look at like famous black women, they like almost always are dating Jews or white guys, but mostly Jews. You know, it's like, it's like a thing, it's like a thing, like even when they're like racist, you know?

It's like, I, I don't know what that is, but I, I, I think it's due. To, you know, as the urban monoculture has infected their culture and broken up institutions like marriage, it's allowed for the ossification of a gender war that is more intractable. And the thing is, is, is that once you break up this gender role, then you're also a conservative, but you're a conservative for like wholesome family reasons, like mm-hmm.

You know, which a lot of the black community is as well. They're like, yeah, I'm not interested in like, all this DEI nonsense. I just want my kids to, you know, be in an environment where they're treated fairly and, and, which you, you hear from a lot of the, the like, wholesome faction of the black community.

Simone Collins: Yeah. 100%. That, that, that checks out. Also, I think that there's a huge portion of the black community that is [00:25:00] perfectly capitalistic. You know, not socialist. Like all the, the socialist influencers I know were extremely white and extremely middle class, like they grew up in, in privilege and they also grew up very, very white.

And when I look at a lot of shows that are, that are meant to cater to primarily black audiences, and they have primarily black classes. They may have very social justice themes, but they're all wearing like $5,000 shirts. And or they're very capitalistic in nature. Which implies to me, I, I couldn't say because I'm not black, but it implies to me that black audiences in America are.

More capitalistic leaning and not really all about this sort of Marxist theory. So pervasive. I,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, I, I've definitely seen that as well. I mean, they're, they're being realistic. They have less trust in governing institutions and, and structures for good reason. But one of the reasons it might be harder to get the black male vote is that Democrats within this last cycle have leaned really hard into antisemitism.

It's really [00:26:00] normal among democratic influencers and the black community is disproportionately anti-Semitic. I think a lot of people were really surprised when like Kanye went all anti-Semitic and I was like, do you not have like black friends? Like

Simone Collins: Yeah. Or have you not explored the concepts of, of the Nation of Islam?

I.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Like what? Like that, this is, this is not surprising. And, and not even for like negative reasons. Even, you know, I was talking with a friend of mine who is you know, a well-known entertainer.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And she was talking about a lot of the, the well-known black entertainers, and she's like, actually antisemitism is really common amongst the well-known black entertainers.

Just most of them know better than to be public about it. Okay.

Simone Collins: And

Malcolm Collins: she's like, and the weird thing is like, even as somebody who's not anti-Semitic myself, like I actually kind of get it. Oh my gosh. 'cause so often for these people, their early managers and producers and people running their studios we're all Jewish.

Mm. And that a lot of these people screwed them over. And, and acted, you [00:27:00] know, I mean, that's the way it was. Like if you're a moneyed interest in, in like the entertainment industry and you're dealing with somebody who's not educated and I'm not saying that like blacks are uneducated. I am seeing a lot of black people who go into the entertainment industry specifically, like the music or rap scene come from a disproportionately lower level of education.

Well, also, if you're

Simone Collins: maxing out. Performing arts, you're not maxing out to getting a master's degree or in something like that unless you've gone the academic route, which probably means you're not a popular pop pop artist. So,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. And if you look at the, who are the lawyers and record producers and stuff like that in la, they are disproportionately Jewish.

Mm-hmm. And so the community began to feel like. Hey, it's not white people who are holding us down. Like I've got lots of poor white friends. It's Jewish people who are holding us down. Oh, dear. And the, the, you know, they knew they weren't allowed to say this publicly, so because the, the discussion never aired publicly.

I mean, again, [00:28:00] this isn't. I don't think that this is because Jewish people screw people over disproportionately. I don't think that this is because anything about Jewish people, I just think that due to cultural and historic reasons, Jewish people ended up running the entertainment industry disproportionately.

That's an interesting episode for totally different time. It was a, the German juice, specifically the Russian Jews ended up in the closing industry on the east coast, the German juice. On the West Coast, in part because it was more deregulated. Look, I don't need to get into why they ended up running.

No, but I,

Simone Collins: I would just say like all of that said I don't at least intuitively feel like the Republican Party is the Jew party and the Democrat party is the anti JW party. I just think that, I think it's align that way. Well, with Palestine it came up more, but I don't know, even in the next presidential election cycle, just how relevant Palestine is gonna be.

So maybe it won't even matter. I just, I think the only reason it's really risen to the surface is that Israel and Palestine were key international conflicts that were discussed [00:29:00] extensively during the 2024 election.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, wait, no, I, I, I mean, look, I I, is it gonna be a persistent issue? It depends on how long this war lasts.

But I think that a lot of people made their positions clear and a lot of like actual, like Antisemites left Republican party, like, you know, Nick Fuentes or Leather Apron Club, or. David Duke, or and a lot of them are beginning to align more. Like even David Duke was talking about how like he aligns more with Democratic party policies these days.

Geez. But he's like, look like he felt really bad for the people of Gaza. He's like, I really appreciate the Democratic party standing up for them. Like I think that morally I am more aligned with it. Well

Simone Collins: meanwhile, amidst all the tariff stuff, there was some progressive influencer who was like.

Trump is finally speaking for the working class American. I love this. This is fantastic. [00:30:00] So all sorts of disruption is taking place. I think so many, wait, A progressive influencer was saying that Y yeah. I can't remember. It was someone discussed on the blocked and reported podcast. And I, I, I can't remember who it was.

It wasn't Sagar was it? But it was, it was someone who was extremely left and who suddenly was standing Trump. Because it was tariffs and I found that really interesting. I just think that now there's a lot of disruption. Democrats are really not sure what to do. They were obviously very, very disillusioned by what mainstream party did in the last election cycle.

So, you know, but who knows what's gonna happen because they got away with so much bad stuff and they don't seem to be showing any signs of. Dissolving in any way. You still have this very old group of people running everything it seems. So, I don't know. I mean, Bernie's certainly a celebrity right now. So

Malcolm Collins: yeah, he's going, what is it, Coachella?

Simone Collins: Yeah. He's, he's like on tour you know, selling out venues, [00:31:00] doing his stocks looking curly.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, Bernie's just a stge for the pharma industry. He like. He, he, if you saw, like, I was just so disgusted by the way he acted during the JFK hearing where, you know, he's opposing JFK, he is about, you know, making things healthier.

We know that he's the highest, gets the most donations of anyone in the Senate from the pharma companies. And people are like, oh, those are individual donations. I'm like. You really are that stupid. Like do you think that Bernie consistently gets enough individual donations, highest end donor from the pharma industry, an industry that has a vested interest in giving money to the Senate and to lock to change policy positions?

Like that's like. Of all industries in the world, there are few with a bigger vested interest than pharma. You think that accidentally he's been winning the most money from that industry, not in one [00:32:00] life cycle, but for over a decade like that is completely implausible. Like that is like Biden. Getting 17% more of the vote than Obama did, which by the way, is the official number completely implausible.

To anyone who was alive during both of those elections. Obama's election was a phenomenon. Like it was everything. It was, it was, it, it, it ate at every aspect of our culture in civilization during that election cycle. There is no way Biden got 17% more vote than him.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that, that seemed a bit irregular.

We can, we can just say that

Malcolm Collins: small. It's not like, oh, he got like five more points or something. It's like if, if he had been running against Obama, he would've crushed him. That's not plausible. Yeah. But anyway, the, the, the point I'm making [00:33:00] is, is. Birdie is a complete sleaze bag and always has been.

Simone Collins: It always, it doesn't seem to stop his fandom. That's all I'm saying. It doesn't matter if someone's a a sleaze bag by anyone's definition or not. What he says resonates the story that reminded me

Malcolm Collins: of. I always love the story of him being kicked outta the commune. You know that story. So he goes to like a communist commune and they ended up kicking them out because all he would do was give speeches all day.

Oh, like he

Simone Collins: wasn't, he wasn't working. Yeah. He is just giving speeches about how good every, the communism

Malcolm Collins: and conceptualism was. Well, he's

Simone Collins: really good at that. That's his special interest. And he's, he is good at it. And clearly people like it. The right audience likes it, so.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I don't think so. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't know that many Bernie supporters anymore, like the Bernie Grow movement basically died out.

There's

Simone Collins: a lot of them,

Malcolm Collins: I think you say like him because he's seen his counter mainstream Democrat, but he cowed out to the mainstream Democrats throughout the entire last cycle. You know, [00:34:00] I don not think Bernie is the way, and I do not think socialism is a pass forward for Democrats. I think if they try to actually, if they go like pure.

Federman style socialism. That could do pretty well.

Simone Collins: What is Federman style? Socialism.

Malcolm Collins: Abandon the trans nonsense. Just go full in, like is he, is he

Simone Collins: anti-trans? I don't think he's anti-trans. Oh no,

Malcolm Collins: he's not yet. But like, you can tell, like a abandon the, the illegal immigrant stuff. Just be like, we're not gonna do that.

We're actually going to implement a socialist policy, like culture wars be gone. Socialist policy because AI is coming. We need UBI or something like that, that would go pretty well. So

Simone Collins: basically just agnostic. Socialism. Socialism without the cultural baggage.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I could see that as playing pretty hard against somebody like JD Vance or something.

Simone Collins: People, I, yeah, I mean, our polling even that our nonprofit has done, shows that people are genuinely concerned [00:35:00] collectively about. Global geopolitical instability and importantly job loss due to ai. I, I do think that someone who caters to those fears and says, I've got you. It's, this is a problem and I'm going to address it, will will do pretty well.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Alright, well, I love you today, Simone. What am I eating to dinner tonight?

Simone Collins: So there are you bought at Costco? A while back, these mysterious chicken crumbles that you thought were very compelling? I could stir. Oh, I think

Malcolm Collins: you get well with fried rice.

Simone Collins: With fried rice. Or just rice. Rice or just fried rice.

And then, and do fried rice and that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I, I cook it separately and then mix it with fried rice. Fried rice. Okay. So

Simone Collins: you like fried rice with chicken crumbles tonight? Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm gonna, I'm gonna take out of the freezer some of the Wagyu steak for you to have tomorrow night. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I wouldn't, I wouldn't cook them together by the way.

I cook them separately and I can mix them as, yeah. First do

Simone Collins: the, the chicken crumbles and then do the, the, the fried [00:36:00] rice and you want me to serve them to you separately, not even fry at the very end. Those things together. It

Malcolm Collins: serves them separately because I don't know if the chicken crumbles are gonna be good.

So I'm, I'm gonna want fried rice to eat if the chicken crumbles aren't good with the fried rice. Okay. And the French tray might have the confidence to say mix them, but right now, I don't know.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: All right. There's like hypothesis, Simone, A hypothesis and

Simone Collins: any special seasoning requests in the fried rice.

Aside from a tiny bit of that vinegar, obviously lots of soy sauce, lots of butter. Some MSG and rice. Oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Uh uh, oyster sauce. Oyster sauce.

Simone Collins: Okay. And of course green onion and some finely chopped bell pepper. Is that all right with you?

Malcolm Collins: That works for me. My beautiful princess

Simone Collins: egg eggs from the coop that is necessary.

We live

Malcolm Collins: in such luxury and we're ending so early to, do you want me to try to get No, I actually have

Simone Collins: another journalist call, so this is not early

Malcolm Collins: more work to do. Do you try to, do you want me to try to get the the thing done? The video that you, you did, if you could.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that would be great. I gotta try to

Malcolm Collins: get that done tonight.[00:37:00]

Simone Collins: I would appreciate that. Good. All right.

Malcolm Collins: Alright. Who, who's the journalist?

Simone Collins: Caroline Kitchener. I, I, I've stopped tracking who's coming from what, and I just take calls. That's the way I am too. Yeah. So much media

Malcolm Collins: about us now, like a man story of the day because we are ever only famous.

But that's cool. I like being famous. I wanted to be famous. I'm, I'm like a cool, like, hmm. Everyone's like, Hmm, like Malcolm. He's so cool. Look at him. He's so sexy. Malcolm's so hot right now. Guy. Right now they're all like, oh yeah. Yeah. Like the coworkers are, are so well liked and sexy. They're not Nazis at all.

They're, they're just cousins. They, they are so mean. Like, it's funny, like the thing that used to make us go viral on, on Twitter, it's moved entirely to Blue Sky and now. Like we don't go as viral because it's only on blue sky now. Like Twitter doesn't care isolated. That, that seems reasonable.

[00:38:00] Falling fertility rates are an issue. Yeah. And it really shows how much the Democrats as well, like Blue sky has been terrible for them because it's completely silenced. Their ability to cancel people. Oh yeah. They're not, they're not going

Simone Collins: mainstream the same way because they're only speaking to other Democrats.

So it's just like the Democrat or the progressive gossip line online and. Yeah, and being unfortunately to make mainstream culture, it seems like you need to have everyone involved. That kind of surprises me. I'm like, why didn't the media just move to Blue Sky and just talk about the issues that their primary audience cared about?

Like if that's, you know, if, if, for example, the New York Times is a left-leaning publication, a left audience can

Malcolm Collins: up 1% of the audience of Twitter. Oh,

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins: use it

Simone Collins: for idea generation. If I were them.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, they're all on blue sky. Like New York Times is on blue sky. All the media's on blue Sky. It's just the problem is, is that the busy bodies whose former like spiraling, apoplectic, freakouts caused virality and, and, and cancel mobs have left the environment where people [00:39:00] other than them saw the cancel mobs.

Mm-hmm. So now the CEO of target isn't seeing the target cancel mob because it's on the blue sky.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Or, or it's not as worrisome to them. I imagine some lackey coming to a CEO and saying, oh, 5 million people have liked this or retweeted this, and this is, and on Blue Sky, it's more like 1,300 people have.

Requited it or whatever. What what'd you do on Blue Sky? I don't

Malcolm Collins: know. And he's like, is that like matter? And they're like, well, no. Say Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for like Blue Sky. I actually feel for the Republican Party is one of the like. Biggest public services that anyone's running for us right now.

Like I would be so sad at Blue Sky shut down. It's like a containment ward for crazy people. It's like a crazy person island. And they're like yelling at me like, you must hate not being on crazy person island. And I'm like, no. Like you guys used to like go to the grocery store with me and [00:40:00] stuff. It was scary.

Simone Collins: You don't even hate not being on Twitter and you never were because. You can't be bothered. I,

Malcolm Collins: I, I do like that we don't go viral in a negative context. Like, I like that when things happen on Twitter now everyone's like, okay. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Oh gosh. I'm try. Okay. All right. Well I'll get on that call. I love you so much.

I'm gonna make your chicken crumbles, fried rice isolating them. Come

Malcolm Collins: on. It sounds pretty good, doesn't it

Simone Collins: dude? Yeah, it sounds

Malcolm Collins: great. I like, maybe like, the fry, the chicken crumbles or air fry. I dunno. You'll figure it out.

Simone Collins: You were supposed to pan fry them.

Malcolm Collins: That sounds good.

Simone Collins: So easy as pie. We're all good.

No problems. Oh. Oh my gosh. I was thinking about our family Canon movies the other day. Mm-hmm. And just thinking about how great Legally Blonde is for our family Canon, I mean like one on the surface level being cheerful no matter what as a strategically good move. One 'cause it just helps, it makes it easier to take things [00:41:00] on.

It's more fun. But also it can make you seem disarming and unassuming when you really are a threat.

Malcolm Collins: Legally. Blonde, by the way, is just the Adams family for the nineties. It really is.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And then, oh, like there's her one of Elle Woods's friends gives her her lucky scrunchie. And another friend is like, that's not your lucky scrunchie.

You only passed Spanish class because you gave the teacher a lap dance. And she's like, yeah, luckily, which is exactly how luck works. Like you don't get lucky unless you make an effort and take a risk and then if it works, you were lucky. And that is how I wanna teach our children. Well.

Malcolm Collins: But my mom used to always from, from a movie, really like Clueless, always took the line of that they say in that, which is A grade is just a jumping off point for negotiations.

Clueless is another movie in her family Cannon. It's so good. I go, but no, when I say it's like the Adams family, it's about somebody who is culturally horrifying to. The mainstream. Yes. It's [00:42:00] sort of like the beginnings of the urban monoculture. She is because the, the school already represent the urban monoculture.

The girls Yeah. Like the

Simone Collins: rad fme and like the super intellectual people and the Yes, and, and she

Malcolm Collins: is mortifying to them because she's from, because she's low culture background.

Simone Collins: Yeah. She's bu proud of it. Yeah, I like, yeah, no, that's another great example is that you should be proud to be othered. And then there's another one that like shows like when you've been wronged, don't go scream about it like a victim.

Take the high road, but then if necessary, low key, blackmail that person to make sure they don't get in your way again. So I love that. It's just Did she see that in that or, well, she, she was arguably sexually harassed by the one college professor that she interned with. I. And then left and then decided to finally take on the major case that he used to take on, and he was going to stop her.

And she was, she threatened basically to come out and say what he did to her without [00:43:00] doing it. And he backed off immediately. She was like, oh, I could tell them all about the con, like, or no, you, you said it would be fine. When we had that conversation the other night she was clearly referring to when he did the thing he shouldn't have done.

So again, like took the high road, didn't hurt anyone, but definitely kept it in her back pocket. And I just love that too. Wasn't a victim. Wasn't a victim. She turned that right around to her advantage.

Malcolm Collins: Well, a lot of women just make it up, you know, that's the, that's the way it works these days. No, nothing even needs to happen within the urban monoculture, but yeah.

Yeah. But she didn't do that. All right. All right. Okay. We'll get started here.

Is this daddy's phone? Yes. So be very careful with it on tv. What you doing? Um.[00:44:00]

No, look. Careful, careful, careful, careful.

Uh oh. She's gonna clobber you guys.