I think he understood that the ultimate purpose of dissent and debate is not to produce consensus but to promote critical thinking. Sometimes it's just valuable to have somebody that I disagree with because it'll bring out to me like no that's wrong. Inside Pixar even though we don't shy away from the term if something goes wrong people don't use the terminology of failure they refer to it as this doesn't work what do we do to fix it. One thing I just was like I didn't actually get it right the first time instead of saying it needs to be safe to fail it's like no way to think about it  as what did we do that didn't work and what do we