448: I'm Choosing Optimism
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Are We the Baddies?
"I don't love this whole, everything is the CEOs fault thing that all of us can do from time to time," he says. "It's just, I'm getting a little nervous that, you know, are we the baddies is starting to happen, like for real this time." He adds: "If it makes you feel any better, you could ask me them ... You can get me on the record if you want"
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