i love this era of time where steve jobs actually came to austin to show off the apple too. i spent a lot of time with bill gates in the early days, a, you know, licensing dossad and and then through all the adventures of windowsd and beyond. But th that tho beom kind of started around 85, when we started making our own,. our own machines and our our own pcs. What was he like at that time? Just hippy, eating fruit and just crazy. And ultimately, it wasn't a deal that made sense.