Fulton Sheen to be Beatified while Roche Digs Himself a Bigger Hole
Avoiding Babylon
Key claims in Roche's memo
Rob and Anthony parse Roche's argument that older books were concessions not meant for promotion.
Want the truth about where the trad world stands—without the coping or the clickbait? We follow the threads from Bishop Fulton Sheen’s long-delayed beatification, through Cardinal Roche’s letter on the liturgy, to the uncomfortable reality that a so-called youth movement has quietly gone gray.
We get honest about what younger men are actually dealing with: a wrecked dating market, credential mills, debt-squeezed housing, and a job landscape warped by visas and offshoring. Against those pressures, endless arguments about documents and labels feel like theater. Tradition doesn’t need to be softer—it needs to be lived. Less quote-mining, more discipline. Less outrage, more parish life. Teach a traditional Catholic life. Live it for a century. Then evaluate the council when the smoke clears.
We dive into Roche’s claim that the older books were a concession never intended to grow and hold it up to Benedict’s “mutual enrichment.” On the ground, where both forms coexist, reverence improves, and people discover the old rite without fleeing their parishes. That matters more than any memo. We also sit with Fulton Sheen’s “ape of the Church,” why hindsight on Vatican II is tricky, and why Sheen still draws seekers who are hungry for clarity and beauty.
Finally, we talk about Scott Adams and the risk of treating salvation like a hack. Baptism, repentance, confession, and real community are not optional extras. The Sunday obligation protects the habit of belonging when screens tempt us to go it alone. If beauty saves, it does so in the flesh: Mass, meals, laughter, and the steady weight of shared prayer.
Join us for a candid, hopeful reset. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs this conversation, and leave a review to help more people find the show. Then tell us: what should a real trad rebrand look like where you live?
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