What does it mean to live alongside people you don’t agree with? And love them anyway? Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet, theologian, and conflict mediator from Ireland, where belonging has always been complicated and peace is fragile at best. In this conversation, Kate and Pádraig explore what it takes to live together in the midst of disagreement—the beauty, the cost, and the messy, sacred hope of it all.

In this conversation, Kate and Pádraig discuss:

• Why peace is exhausting, fragile, and still worth fighting for

• The surprising role of curiosity in transforming division

• How belonging can comfort us—and cost us

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• Safiya Sinclair on Rewriting Roots

• Nadia Bolz Weber on the Insight of Outsiders

• Lanecia Rouse on When Hope Seems Lost

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