I wrote my PhD on that topic, you know, 15 years ago. It's so interesting to unpack this in real time with you because we don't know each other. I think it is a fantastic concept conceptually that we can create money, but we can't create energy and the energy has a cost in biophysical terms not in dollar terms. To try and make decisions on it and use it as a fine laser digit that a 10 to one year lie is better than an eight-to-one lies is fraught with peril.

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