John le go ith, you first. Thank you for the healthy debate around liberal and populice within a nation state. I think one thing i'd like to get your viewpoint on is an external viewpoint. When you look at the rise of popularism across the nation state. And perhaps to frame it into a question, do you think you would rely on the thinking the ideology of liberalism to help ease the tensions of arising populaism across nation states? Oand there was, i know there was one more hand up here. My mind's quite quick one. So do you think we're at the risk of over complicating the debate by turning into this kind of ideological thing, an