Are You Ready to Get Human?

Dena, welcome to the parcast. Are you ready to get human? Yes, yes, very, very i'm excited to be here. Big fir o totevops institue. Have always been oeli. This is a treat for me. I have a lot of feelings about money. So maybe if you could explain it, maybe just kind of define it a explain what what that means. A, what wat hold up was, we all knew agils it. We were all clear on a on human centre design. And so when i was figuring out why they couldn't do better by their consumers, the answer really was, it's because they can't do better