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Yasha Mank: Affirmative action is a great example of that. To me, the best argument for affirmative action is trying to rebuild trust in society. He says people believe things are not so bad, but because they're so bad, it ends up having really negative consequences. And now the good fight with Yasha Mank.

Peter Arcidiacono is an economist at Duke University and an expert on affirmative action. Arcidiacono served as an expert witness for Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. (SFFA) in SFFA v. Harvard.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Peter Arcidiacono discuss the role that racial preferences have played in the admissions processes of elite American universities in recent decades; the workarounds that universities are likely to use in the wake of the recent Supreme Court decision; and why real progress for less privileged students will require fundamental changes that look beyond the admissions practices of a few elite universities.

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