A lot of the middle managers I think at the biggest tech companies are probably more and more in the line of people who would have been to your point working in big government 20 years ago or 30 years ago. It's kind of the same risk of risk status seeking profile versus impact seeking profiles, he says. The reward system is almost like you're getting paid no matter what you do right or no matter what we accomplish so that really changes the dynamic of how you think about your work  and entitlement around the work.

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