There's a real difference between ego based motivation, which has some striving and clinging and what I consider as aspiration. Less ego, less self. How do we get motivated if we're not identified? Go forest. You can actually feel it in your body that when I'm going after things and motivated after ambition,. Which happens and I forgive it and I sometimes enjoy it, but it just happens. Then there's an aspiration like, can I be with you too in this interview?"

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