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Ep 130 Defining Interdependence

Cheaper Than Therapy with Vanessa and Dené

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I Just Wish This Person Would See Me, What Am I Gonna Do?

"I believe change always comes from some sort of authentic desire within us to change," she says. "A lot of times people don't see things until we say I'm fed up and I can't do this anymore, you know what I mean? Unfortunately, that's the human nature thing ... We don't get there until we have no option to get there."

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