"I would be really tired out if i was just on my laptop for four years. My my back's sartint hurtye," he says. "i had to learn a lot of that early on, because, again, in the previous job, it's just whatever's given to you in this box, you got to take it." 'In getting that freedom, i really had to explore a little bit, how do i work most effectively? Did you find the same thing? Or did you just slide into your new role?" she asks.