"We play identity politics all of us across the board and it's hard. It's really hard work to cut through all that noise," he says. "There is this kind of annoying tendency that you have to sign up for everything on the menu as you as you eloquently put it." 'I think we live in an age where one group of people are particularly cultish, particularly deferential to the dear leader,' she adds. "'All of our experience is all of what we've seen with our own eyes' I'm not going to say that there's a general problem across the political spectrum that's just tribalism', but let's pretend that one group is more susceptible than another

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