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Planet Money
In 2000, this is 2013. I just want to be in that show. The audience is big enough. It can be profitable. If it can, it should be. And also, I felt like I was creating a lot of value. Yeah. So at that point, I mean, in 2000,. This is 2013, 2014, yeah. Was the challenge you were running into at NPR that they were a nonprofit organization and they just could not figure out how to make this work or was it more like, yeah, we're just, no one really wanted to make a decision? Nobody wanted to kind of pull the trigger or no one really thought that there were legs to this Or was