I think some men, it's quite shocking in some ways how much some men seem to have really embraced this idea that actually you can be really misogynistic and really aggressive. And if you found the right name to call them, then it's totally fine. They've chosen particular causes that they call feminist, which actually just meet their own needs. It's not completely new. I mean, you think, Robyn Morgan's goodbye to all that. Some of it came out of rage from women at not being included in men's activism in the 60s and early 70s. But it's really quite powerful now, I think.

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